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Excoman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 6:29 am Reply with quote
I won't start discussing anyone's fetishes, but in what kind of environment does one have to grow up, to end up as an adult who thinks it would be a great idea to go public with this kind of thing?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 7:09 am Reply with quote
What in the world is "ethnographic" research?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:22 am Reply with quote
That's not even the problem. The guy has the right to like shotacon, even if the British law disagrees with that right (and treats it the same as possessing photos of abused children).

The biggest problem is that this Swedish man has published dubious content in the past, with regards to actual pedophilia.

Just to quote from a past article on the matter:
"In addition, Andersson was previously the editor of a Swedish self-published magazine called Destroyer, published from 2006, which foregrounded images of young boys. There is a Swedish article from the Aftonbladet website about Andersson editing the magazine here. The magazine was also the subject of an Out article and another in Holland's Gay News magazine. A translated Tweet that Andersson made about Destroyer magazine has been retweeted here.

Following the end of Destroyer magazine, the Vice website interviewed Andersson in 2012 and reported that he was running a website that also foregrounded images of young boys. In the interview, Andersson defends his publications and talks about why he likes shotacon manga."

animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-08-11/university-of-manchester-investigates-academic-paper-on-shotacon-manga/.188580

And in the forum section, you will find more details.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 8:53 am Reply with quote
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What in the world is "ethnographic" research?

An ethnographic research is a type of a qualitative research method where the researcher acts as an observer to its subject matter. It is a research method or strategy because the researcher also immerses himself/herself to the environment, culture, and society of his/her subject matter. He will also experience it firsthand rather from observing from afar.

(Murchison, 2010).
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Erufailon4



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:28 am Reply with quote
This whole thing is honestly just bizarre. I have a lot of questions, and most of them start with the word "why".
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:45 am Reply with quote
Past wrote:
What in the world is "ethnographic" research?


In addition to Duckie's quote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnography You mostly see it in small-scale anthropological study, and in settings where explicitly experimental or quantitative work is rare (although that has changed somewhat recently, in part as a result of increasing involvement from other disciplines in studying subject matter more commonly associated with anthropology).
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 9:51 am Reply with quote
Excoman wrote:
I won't start discussing anyone's fetishes, but in what kind of environment does one have to grow up, to end up as an adult who thinks it would be a great idea to go public with this kind of thing?


It' not uncommon to see in Japan. Voice actors like Aoi Yuuki and Rie Takahashi are pretty open about their love of shotacon. Even singers like Kyary Pamyu Pamyu talk about it as well. And it's a pretty common topic for a lot of Vtubers.

Seems like the main problem here is this guy is from the UK, and from what I've heard the UK has some pretty draconian laws when it comes to fictional media and thought crime. Not surprised they would clamp down on this.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:02 am Reply with quote
No, the main problem was basically every procedure he used for this study fails on a basic academic level to qualify it as legitimate regardless of the type of porn he used. There's also his history with publishing sexual photos of underage boys.
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Hellsoldier



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 10:05 am Reply with quote
Eager Eddie wrote:
It' not uncommon to see in Japan. Voice actors like Aoi Yuuki and Rie Takahashi are pretty open about their love of shotacon. Even singers like Kyary Pamyu Pamyu talk about it as well. And it's a pretty common topic for a lot of Vtubers.

Seems like the main problem here is this guy is from the UK, and from what I've heard the UK has some pretty draconian laws when it comes to fictional media and thought crime. Not surprised they would clamp down on this.

The British Draconian laws are a real problem, But it's not just that. The guy in question has a bad past with some of his publications back in Sweden.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:00 pm Reply with quote
Eager Eddie wrote:
It' not uncommon to see in Japan. Voice actors like Aoi Yuuki and Rie Takahashi are pretty open about their love of shotacon. Even singers like Kyary Pamyu Pamyu talk about it as well. And it's a pretty common topic for a lot of Vtubers.
There is a difference between women looking at young buys and going "Ah aren't they beautiful/cute" and a grown man knocking one out to pictures of young boys.
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Shay Guy



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:44 pm Reply with quote
MarshalBanana wrote:
There is a difference between women looking at young buys and going "Ah aren't they beautiful/cute" and a grown man knocking one out to pictures of young boys.


Just to clarify, you're saying the important difference here is sexual vs. non-sexual? As opposed to men vs. women?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 1:45 pm Reply with quote
MarshalBanana wrote:
Eager Eddie wrote:
It' not uncommon to see in Japan. Voice actors like Aoi Yuuki and Rie Takahashi are pretty open about their love of shotacon. Even singers like Kyary Pamyu Pamyu talk about it as well. And it's a pretty common topic for a lot of Vtubers.
There is a difference between women looking at young buys and going "Ah aren't they beautiful/cute" and a grown man knocking one out to pictures of young boys.


Oh my sweet summer child.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 3:39 pm Reply with quote
The UK must have no exemptions for educational purposes, that's actually a major free speech issue and a flaw in their laws.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:21 pm Reply with quote
I remember when the first article on this came out everyone was on the same page: that this guy was a predatory creep and his paper should not have been made public. Now that they've redacted his paper everyone's concerned about free speech and UK censorship? We're not talking about a cancelled comedian or someone's political opinion. This is a man who regularly publishes work exploring his attraction to, and objectification of, underage boys, and advocates for rape/pedophilia. Surely we can all be on the same page when it comes to sh*t like that being censored, no?

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The UK must have no exemptions for educational purposes, that's actually a major free speech issue and a flaw in their laws.


The university likely agreed that his paper was not written with educational purposes in mind (and took into consideration his history). This man weaponizes acedemia as a shield in order to pull stunts like this. What exact educational value could one extract from a paper about a guy masturbating to shotacon?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 29, 2022 4:28 pm Reply with quote
ZephyrVayu wrote:
I remember when the first article on this came out everyone was on the same page: that this guy was a predatory creep and his paper should not have been made public. Now that they've redacted his paper everyone's concerned about free speech and UK censorship? We're not talking about a cancelled comedian or someone's political opinion. This is a man who regularly publishes work exploring his attraction to, and objectification of, underage boys, and advocates for rape/pedophilia. Surely we can all be on the same page when it comes to sh*t like that being censored, no?

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The UK must have no exemptions for educational purposes, that's actually a major free speech issue and a flaw in their laws.


The university likely agreed that his paper was not written with educational purposes in mind (and took into consideration his history). This man weaponizes acedemia as a shield in order to pull stunts like this. What exact educational value could one extract from a paper about a guy masturbating to shotacon?

You must not have seen the comments of that article before it got cleaned up. Lotta shitty comments and gross defenses there as well. Their real motive that they hide behind free speech is pretty obvious to everyone else at this point.
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