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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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New thread for griping about Mods and how they moderate.
I wonder if this one will go longer before getting locked than the last one? Okay, so this morning I wake up and get this PM from Keonyn. In his PM, Keonyn said if I had a problem I should take it here. Well, I haven't wanted to in the past, since it sounds like griping. But when I get such a ridiculous and outrageous PM like the one below, I have no choice:
I must have done something very naughty to warrant this sort of response, right? Well, no. Of course, I can't prove that what I was saying was perfectly legit, on-topic and reasonable, since Keonyn got butthurt and removed my post. I should have taken a screenshot of it straight after I made it, but I didn't really expect that it would be removed. Why should I? But what actually happened? Well, Keonyn made this post:
My reply was that many people have good reasons for disliking or even hating Avatar. Insinuating that everyone who hates it is only doing so because that's the popular thing to hate is something you'd expect from a troll, not a respected Moderator of a respected form. (I didn't actually word it that way.) I also mentioned that just because there are many Anime that are worse does not excuse Avatar from being bad. Especially given the budget it had which works out to be US$1.33m per minute. Finally, I mentioned that the quality of Avatar - good or bad - does reflect on the potential quality of a Battle Angel Alita movie, providing Cameron directs the latter. I was on topic. I was not being rude, even though Keonyn was. I do not believe he was correct in removing my post just because I had the audacity to challenge him for making such blatantly wrong generalisations. And then he couldn't just stop there, he had to send that ludicrous PM above. I've already gotten another PM from someone who remarked that they thought Keonyn was wrong to remove my post. So what are the instances of Moderators being inconsistent, being rude, applying double standards, acting hypocritical, or abusing their powers? |
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Keonyn
 Subscriber Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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I removed your post because you, once again, chose to try to turn the thread in to a "let's argue my opinions about the moderation and drag the topic deeper in to the mud", not because I was "butthurt" (the use of the term demonstrates you're still not getting it). If it was another user I wouldn't have removed it, but you've been told constantly to stop trying to twist every thread in to "let's discuss dtm's opinion" and do so even more after you're told to knock it off. I told you in the last instance that you're done doing it, and I meant it.
And yes, the thread had turned in to a Cameron-hate/love soapbox which wasn't the intention or even focus of the article. You apparently chose to once again argue about it and continue discussing what you were told to stop which I have repeatedly warned you about in thread after thread after thread after thread. And if you want to bring PM's in to this I think you'd be very interested to find out just how much of the PM volume I receive, as well as moderator reports, are because of your constantly aggressive, insulting and disrespectful actions on these boards. As for my apparent hypocrisy, I'm still a poster and have the right to comment on the discussion. My final paragraph was to try to direct the thread down a less "I hate x soapbox" path and fanboy vs. fanboy battle. Your response was again directly aggressive towards the post and confrontational to try and twist the thread as you always do and which you've been warned repeatedly to stop. Since I told you it will no longer be tolerated last time that is why it was removed. Also, posting a report about a post I hadn't even seen yet as a means to call me out is pretty poor form. Contrary to what you may believe I am not here 24/7 and this only again demonstrates your confrontational and aggressive nature that has become a problem that gets reported almost daily on these boards. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
 Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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Hey dtm42 I get at least 5 times as many complaints and reports about your behavior on these forums than I ever have about any mod. They're not the problem, you are.
I think maybe the fact that you are nonstop picking fights with the mod team, turning every thread you decide to participate in into "everyone look at me and talk about me and my opinions and no we can't talk about anything other than my opinion EVERYONE LOOK AT ME" and then crying when you get slapped down about doing that over and over again - all that stuff might have something to do with it. You've been put on moderation and right now you're on a zero-tolerance, no-more-warnings policy. If you cause another headache for the mods or the users or me, you're going to get permabanned. Period. No discussion. The end. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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It was not an attempt to derail the thread or whatever, I was genuinely calling Keonyn out for insinuating that people who hate Avatar only do so because it's the popular thing to do. I do not see why that was reason to be threatened with a ban, and I do not see why taking Keonyn's advice and bringing it here to the Feedback sub-forum is grounds to put me under moderation.
I just don't. |
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The King of Harts
 Posts: 6712 Location: Mount Crawford, Virginia |
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Can you not read? Zac didn't say he just put on you on moderation because of this thread, he said he did it because of the hundreds of other times where you've been nothing more than a [let's not turn this in to a platform for insulting dtm] that goes beyond simply derailing threads, since you derail, turn the focus onto your "right opinion", and then backtalk the mods when they're in mod-mode trying get you to shut up so everyone else can get back on track. The mere fact that you think this thread is the straw that broke the camels back is proof you're blinded by your own ego.
In all honesty, I am truly shocked you have not been banned already. You must have nine lives or something since I can think of at least a dozen other situations where you've shattered the rules. |
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poilk92
 Posts: 433 Location: Long Beach California |
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DTM42 forever! I feel like we need people like you to make us examine our own conflicatory nature
So far I have seen nothing but good things from mods like, locking that thread that became about the middle east somehow... that was seriously out there |
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Blood-
 Bargain Hunter Posts: 23779 |
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Well, this thread seems a pretty appropriate one for this message: ANN mods/admins, I think you guys'n'gals have an incredibly tough job and I think you do it well. I'm sorry to say I have been one of those posters who has *cough* occasionally *cough* been a headache, but I really am trying to amend my ways. I've just seen too many message boards turned into vast wastelands of pointlessness because they weren't patrolled by people willing to perform the thankless task of keeping people civilized and I appreciate that ANN has not been allowed to slide into the abyss.
Signed, Blood- the Reformed |
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John Casey
 Posts: 1853 Location: In My Angry Center |
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What the hell, dude. :/ It's...kind of like this... You frak up, you get punished for it... Now, the responsible thing to do is man up, apologize, shut the hell up, then try to make amends. But, all I'm seeing here is a bunch of bitching and moaning...
There's also the fact that this is far too personal of an issue to just post around in the forums... This is the sort of shit that's to be kept in PMs. Then, we couple the fact that you didn't keep it in the PMs, with the fact that this thread, honestly, says absolutely nothing of any consequential or tactical value, really just tells people that you're some sort of attention whore... Well...if you're looking to lose points with people, I'd guesstimate this is just about the best way to do it... |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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^And yet, if you read the PM I was sent it explicitly states that I should take it to this sub-forum. You can't blame me for feeling perplexed when I take a Moderator's advice and then get burnt for it.
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter Posts: 23779 |
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I doubt Keonyn expected or wanted you to quote directly from his PM. I think his suggestion was that if you had any problems with the moderating here at ANN, this was the appropriate forum to address it. PM stands for "Private Message" and quoting from one without the sender's consent is pretty gauche.
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Keonyn
Subscriber Posts: 5567 Location: Coon Rapids, MN |
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Well, let me just clarify that this thread has nothing to do with being placed under moderation. Those wheels were already in motion before you posted this.
Also understand that moderation isn't a permanent thing either. If you stop presenting problems then the moderation will be removed and normal posting rights will be restored (although further problems after that may result in the moderation option being skipped altogether next time). Believe me, we don't want to have to read everything you post any more than you want us to. |
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Blood-
Bargain Hunter Posts: 23779 |
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Just out of curiosity, what does it mean to be placed under moderation? Does it mean you are restricted to a certain number of posts per day or something? I tried looking this up in faq and "Teh Rules" but can't seem to find anything on it.
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
Posts: 7912 Location: Anime News Network Technodrome |
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It means every time you hit "post" the post goes to a separate place - purgatory, if you will - and must be reviewed by a moderator before it's allowed to be seen by the forums public. It's a measure saved for problematic users who aren't trolls but have trouble behaving properly and can't help themselves from derailing every thread they post in. Gatsu is moderated, for example. |
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dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
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Out of purely morbid curiosity, what are the "wheels" exactly? Does a Moderator or Admin make a post in the Staff Forum advocating the banning of a particular user, and then there's a vote? |
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Tony K.
Subscriber Moderator  Posts: 11299 Location: Frisco, TX |
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Moderators can only bring up the issue of questionable users. It ultimately comes down to Admin. whether or not a ban is carried out (their accounts are the only ones with the ability to do so). I'm pretty sure we've had cases of a majority vote for banning certain users, but discussions were had, arguments were made, and nothing panned out.
If it's blatantly obvious that a user is trolling, spamming, or disruptive, we try not to ban unless absolutely necessary. Otherwise, you get put on moderation and all of your posts just have to be looked over and approved by any one of us. But any of the Mods or Admin. can control moderation status, and it's not specific to any one of us either. For example, I could put you under moderation one day, but then another Mod could turn it off the very next second. |
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