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GrilledEelHamatsu
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If an anime doesn't have a dub I could care less. It shouldn't matter to anyone. Why? Because the anime market doesn't have the deep pockets of hollywood or the game industry. They deserve our support reguardless of the situation. Maybe if things were alot better for the dubbing market like it was in 2005-2006, you can see everything getting dubbed. Refusing to buy a title if it can't be dubbed, is considered,selfish,infantile,self-serving and prejudice. |
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KanjiiZ
Posts: 661 Location: Central Coast |
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I sure as hell hope so. Companies like FUNImation take too long to release their anime because they're doing mediocre dubs for them. I waited a pretty long time for Heroic Age and by the time it got released, I didn't feel like buying it anymore. Then I saw a free episode on FUNImation On Demand and the dub was REALLY flat. My excitement for Sengoku Basara and East of Eden is dying by the minute, |
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torreyjs
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Its considered the Free Market and me choosing how to spend my money. Who in the hell do you think you are son? Whats immature and selfish is to get mad when a grown man willingly stops buying a non essential product anymore because they no longer like it. Christ I wish there was an ignore function on this forum. |
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GrilledEelHamatsu
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ADV NEVER Shut Down. They had to start over and figure out a loophole around Sojitz because they still owed them millions in assets. The only way for them to escape legal action from Sojitz was to take the "Texas Two-Step Shell Game Act of 1977" a law that allows Texas LLCs to split and divide thier company to restructure without filing for Chapter 11. The law requires you to change your company's name/file several LLC names and then once the assets,properties, licenses are transfered from the label to the new companies the label is to shut down. Greenfield begin filing for this plan in April 2009. The name and label "ADV" died not the company. The company is still very much alive. |
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GrilledEelHamatsu
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What it immature is the haughty attitude of dub-only fanboys who act ungreatful if the title doesn't get a dub. They act,ungreatful and cocky. Like they know how much,time,budget,production and effort goes into dubbing a anime. They don't. And those do know don't care. This type of attitude, is the reason why its getting harder to license shows. Because they refuse to buy the title whether its dubbed or not this prevents a popluar title from being licensed in America. It's all about supply and demand. If there's none, they can't dub. That's the truth. All else is just hyperbole. This type of bitching makes it more immpossible for an anime to get dubbed. |
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torreyjs
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Its not immature, haughty, arrogant, or ungrateful to not buy a product you dont like. Thats called freedom of choice. If they want to stop doing dubs, well thats their decision, but my decision in response will stop buying their sub only products. Thats my right if I so choose. You telling me that I should be forced to give money to a company I dont want to simply because otherwise your offended, is ludicrous at best. I mean think about what your saying. "It doesnt matter if you dont like it, buy anyways or your a lowlife". This is hilarious sorry man, your viewpoint is a little extreme. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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What an odd response. If someone does not like reading subtitles, then they are not in the market for subtitles. It would be one thing to say, "if there are no dubs, I'll watch fansub bootlegs instead" ... that is being a bloodsucker parasite. But saying, "if there are no dubs, I won't buy" is being something else, called a customer. Producers of sub-only releases know that they are releasing for a smaller market, and factor that into their estimate of whether a title will pass break-even.
It not easy to work out what this intends to say, but people who only watch dubs and therefore only buy dubs, that is the market. Group A wants a sub, does not care if there is a dub Group B wants a dub, does not care if there is a sub Group C wants the anime, does not care whether its a dub or a sub The market for subs is ${A+C} The market for dubs is ${B+C} The market for dub/sub releases is ${A+B+C} Since ${A} will always cover the incremental cost of the subtitling alone, for any release where ${B} can cover the cost of a dub, nobody would release a dub-only release nowadays. Since ${B} will very often not cover the incremental cost of dubbing, there will be a number of sub-only releases, especially for niche titles (microniche titles, really, because anime itself is a niche). People from Group B can look at that and say, "ooh, but that is a sub-only disc. Darn, I wish it had a dub". But its not the fault of Group A, the problem is that Group B does not have enough people. And someone happy with subs is just not going to "convert", so the only way to make Group B bigger is to introduce more people to the dubbed anime market. There are some dub streams, and of course there is Netflix, so its possible to introduce a friend and get them interested. Arguing with people in Group A that they should insist on dubs would be wasted effort. People from Group A can look at that and say, "ooh, there are those anime fans, but because they insist on the expensive to produce subs, there are all sorts of titles that are not getting licensed." But why? People in Group B are not going to have a "forum flamewar conversion" - they just are not in the market for subs. So the only way to make Group B bigger is to introduce more people to the dubbed anime market. There are a growing number of sub streams, at Crunchyroll and YouTube and Hulu and elsewhere, and of course there is Netflix, so its possible to introduce a friend and get them interested. Arguing with people in Group B that they should buy sub-only series even though its a waste of money for them because they will not watch the discs ... is a silly waste of time. |
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RestLessone
Posts: 1426 Location: New York |
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I like Big Windup!. It got a dub. I purchased it, it's sitting on my shelves as I type...But if the second season were to be released sub-only, I'd be very hesitant to buy it. Why? Because I dislike the original. The dubbed version had more character, even if it could be annoying at times, a main character doesn't sound 25 (he's the equivalent of a 10th grader by the way), and various others sound more realistic/their age. I tried watching the subs, but it felt forced and badly-acted on some characters' parts for the 2nd season. Not that the dub didn't have those moments, but it evened out for me. So, does this make me ungrateful or arrogant? I supported a product, don't enjoy the original dub in the first place, and don't watch it on fansubs. If I'm going to spend 50 bucks on a DVD, I want it to be something bearable and enjoyable. For many series I prefer subs, but there are a select few whose dubs trump them. This is all hypothetical, of course, as I doubt Funi will ever bring it over. But people can't just lump those who don't want subbed DVDs are 'arrogant little whiners'. As a customer, I have a right to choose what to buy based on what I'm getting in return. |
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GrilledEelHamatsu
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I don't have a problem if the person refusing to buy the title if its sub-only. It's thier choice. The problem I have is the soapboaxing,fanboyism bias, that a label shouldn't have any right to release a sub-only title and the fact that there are people that will go on a rant threating to boycott the title if no dub is given. I can't even count the amount of people that kept complaining that Sentai wasn't dubbing its titles, some people even said they wished ADV would just die. I like dubs. I'll buy a title if its dubbed or not.Because I know that anime is a niche market and that it deserves full support.It should not matter if a title is dubbed or not. It's anime. Sure you can fansub it, get a digital stream, but that's only temparary.Most fansubs don't last for a few months and get taken down pretty quickly anyway. We should be excited when a niche title is licensed but most dub fans are not. Its the dub-fanboyism thats annoying to me. When I hear people say idiotic things like "Bandai sucks if they stop dubbing, Why don't they just shut down", this bothers and offends me. |
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firedragon54738
Posts: 3113 Location: wisconsin |
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Well I hope the Bandai dosnt stop dubbing completely they do good work and there limited edition stuff is great to. Like what they did with Lucky Star and Haruhi it would be a shamed that I cant buy any more Bandai limited edition box sets since I only buy dubbed dvds
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Megiddo
Posts: 8360 Location: IL |
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No, it doesn't. But the problem is that a large amount of people are watching it fansubbed and then just using the excuse that since it doesn't have a dub they won't be purchasing it. Even people who already watched it fansubbed and clearly enjoyed it will not buy it because there is no dub. That is being "ungrateful", because, let's say 'person A' thought Toradora! was a pretty good show when s/he watched it fansubbed and decided to buy it. Let's say 'person B' thought Toradora! was the bestest thing ever and has a poster of Taiga or Minorin in his/her room or something, but says that s/he will not buy the DVDs because they're subbed only which is a "glorified fansub". So they just use the excuse of no dub to not support the anime, despite really enjoying it, and instead hoard their fansubs. |
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Kikaioh
Posts: 1205 Location: Antarctica |
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Well, if we take it that "stealing" means "to take something from someone without permission," then fansubbers are "stealing" the creator's right to control the conditions under which their works are copied and distributed. Fansubbers are taking the creator's rights for themselves without permission ~ which just as well amounts to stealing. Whenever someone watches a fansub, he/she is basically saying "it's okay for anyone to copy an artist's work and distribute it for free and without permission." Anyone who truly respects the work of the original creators would respect the original creator's right to control how their works are copied and distributed. Fansubbers, however, are fundamentally "stealing" that right away from the original creators ~ they're literally giving themselves permission to control the conditions under which artwork (that they didn't even create) can be copied. The pretentious notion that someone besides the creators knows what's best for their own works, and that anyone and everyone who has such a notion is thereby entitled to copy and distribute the creator's work without permission ~ that's not fair to the original creators. It's gravely disrespectful. Anyways, I hope Bandai is doing as well as they make it sound. It's disappointing to see long-time distributors like Central Park and A.D. Vision closing up shop, and I'd hate to hear the same happen for Bandai. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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See, there is the problem. There is absolutely no way to guess that you do not have a problem with that when you respond to someone who simply says they will not buy a sub-only title with:
Refusing to buy an entertainment DVD that you do not find entertaining because of a feature it is missing is not infantile or prejudice. Saying it is, that's silly. And complaining that someone is being "selfish" and "self-serving" in how they spend money from their entertainment budget ... wow. Just, wow.
Where did he say anything like this? I missed that entirely.
Someone saying they will not buy a show if it has no dub is not "threatening a boycott", A Boycott is refusing to buy something you want and would ordinarily buy because of some action of the seller. Refusing to buy something you do not want ... that is what is called "normal". If the extremist overboard version of that perfectly normal position really irritates you ... you need to be careful to avoid attacking everyone who holds the normal position. Because when you go overboard in the opposite direction like that, you make us subbed-anime fans sound like a bunch of raving loons. |
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nailszz6
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I accept all bashing directed my way. Everything you say about me is completely true. In my perfect world, I do not want redubbing of "ANY" media form, from one language to any alternate language. I want the Japanese, and other countries to watch Avatar subbed, not redubbed. I honestly don't care about release dates, or release speed. This is about not modifying an original creation, not money/release time etc.. |
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agila61
Posts: 3213 Location: NE Ohio |
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ADV dodged the bullet, at the expense of restructuring into several pieces, but they are still working and still putting out anime, as Sentai/Section23 now. See: Sentai Filmworks Adds Guin Saga Fantasy TV Anime |
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