Forum - View topicScoot Pilgrim Vs. Tokyopop
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BellosTheMighty
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Yes, I know, and I apologize for being a bit of a ranting ass myself. But it's over with now- the reasonable objectors seem to have won out in the end. |
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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Well, except this random prick is an established comic artist, and has been since 2003. He has won the Doug Wright Award as well as the Joe Shuster Award, nominated for three Harvey's, two Eagle's and an Eisner Award. One might say he knows something about the workings of the industry. I don't know if you have had previous "forum battles" with people in this thread and are just bringing it in here with you. Or if you just enjoy being a pompous snatch, and telling everyone how right high and mighty you are and how wrong everyone else is, which you've stated repeatedly. If it is the first, please leave disparagement's in the related threads. If it's the second, it isn't working, and I can tell you right now it sounds like you have more of an axe to grind, than declaring any great points as you claim. |
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CorneredAngel
Posts: 854 Location: New York, NY |
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The opinions expressed in this post are the writer's own, and do not reflect any official policy or stand of the Anime News Network.
It's really interesting that the people who are bitching about this whole affair are also the people who have long since made it in comics - in many cases, after ten or more years of gruntwork. Tokyopop's program is *not* a money-making opportunity for the artist/writer. It's never intended to be. What is is, really, is basically an internship with a stipend, comparable to the thousands of other unpaid summer internships that every high school and college career office will tell you that you NEED to have in order to then get a better chance at a real paying job. Once you prove that you can do this, then maybe, either Tokyopop or another publisher will consider you when looking for someone to bring on for a full-length project. |
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tasogarenootome
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I think that's a fair assessment. It's a good chance for exposure, just use your best judgement on what you submit (if you have something you're so afraid of TP thieving from you, don't submit.) I don't like the language or the moral rights thing, but I can see treating it like an internship or just like being a writer who works on the staff of an existing property (s)he doesn't own before getting to pitch their own. The rate of pay I have seen in some blogs is still disappointing though and if people really are bothered by it, the best thing to do is not to submit to Tokyopop. Speak with your actions, I suppose. |
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tasogarenootome
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Sorry I accidentally double posted.
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Aaron White
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Tom Spurgeon is the former editor of The Comics Journal, coauthor of a biography of Stan Lee, and longtime respected peer of Heidi MacDonald. Bryan Lee O'Malley and Lea Hernandez are professional cartoonists who have been known figures on the market for years. They can't be dismissed out of hand.
As for Tokyopop's pact, calling it an internship is praising with faint damnation. A good internship doesn't demand total control of your original work on a work-for-hire basis for a measly $20 per page pay rate. That's nuts. Image, Oni, Dark Horse, Slave Labor, Fantagraphics, Picturebox... they all offer better deals than that. Spurgeon, MacDonald, O'Malley, Hernandez and Journalista all speak from experience and context; put together they have more years of experience in the comics biz than anyone on this thread, myself included, is likely to have lived. When they all thunderously denounce a contract, take that seriously. Unless and until someone with equal or greater credibility in this matter (hint: no one on this thread, myself included) launches an informed counterargument, there is no informed counterargument. Last edited by Aaron White on Thu May 29, 2008 11:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Aaron White
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It's not all that ridiculous. A horrible, below-minimum-wage, cynically exploitive "offer" should be called for what it is. The metaphor was chosen with care. Extreme examples are appropriate in the face of extreme cases. |
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Aaron White
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Here's Bill Randall. He's a regular contributor to The Comics Journal on manga biz. He's looking to talk with anyone who's actually published with Tokyopop, whether their experience was good or bad.
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jgreen
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Publishers Weekly's Heidi MacDonald steps in to show the other side, but she still concludes it's a pretty raw deal.
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Aaron White
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Tom Spurgeon offers more links (including to Tokyopop's defense) and some more criticism.
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