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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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See to me that is different. Signing your name, as a handful of users do, to me is not a "signature" in the sense of what I feel they are trying to prevent. That being the flashy gifs, obnoxious images, offensive quotes, etc. that are used when forums enable "signatures." Simply signing your name at the end of a post, arguably as it is proper discussion/letter etiquette, is not what I think most would consider a forum "signature." I mean they could technically enforce the rule to the exact letter with that but like you said considering the main man signs his name it's easy to see why they are lax on that. Same goes for your "locations." Snake Mountain Cocktail Lounge comes to mind heh.
On a separate note whatever happened to picking more subscriber titles to use (over 9000, thread killer, collector, etc)? That really died overnight almost. Random thought. |
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st_owly
Posts: 5234 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland |
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I agree with Psycho on the signatures thing. Signing your name off at the end of a post is quite different from having a seizure inducing animated gif at the end of every post. There was someone a while back who put some kind of crazy Christian propaganda at the end of all their posts. That was stamped on pretty quickly.
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Blood-
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And this ends my involvement in trying to rationalize ANN's rules. If we are dealing with an owner who is totally comfortable with the fact that his unpaid mods will be enforcing rules that in some cases aren't even codified any where or scattered in different forums, what can I say? I think a sloppy system like that is unfair both to the mods and the users but there is a level of managerial and customer service incompetence that I'm simply not prepared to try and rectify. Peace out. |
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Touma
Posts: 2651 Location: Colorado, USA |
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I am starting to feel the same, but I am not ready to give up yet. I think that a distinction should be made between rules that are decreed by Tempest and policies that are formulated and enforced by moderators. For example, "Thou shalt not over quote!" is a rule, and what constitutes over quoting is a policy. I think that one of the major complaints that Blood- had was that the policies are not explained in the Rules forum, and the problem with that is that people who actually want to learn and follow the rules will look in the Rules forum, not the Feedback forum. Would it be possible to at least have a brief notice in the Rules that directs people to go to the Feedback forum to see the policies? I do agree with Blood-, assuming that I am right about his opinion, but I am not quite as concerned about it as he is. Warning people about violating policies and directing them to the appropriate threads here, as is being done now, seems like it should be sufficient. It would be a problem if a moderator comes down hard on somebody for breaking a "rule" that is not actually in the rules, but I am not aware of that happening. |
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Blood-
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Exactly so. But it's worse than even that. Sure it's kind of ridiculous that all of ANN's rules can't be found in one place. But let me reiterate: mods are "enforcing" rules that aren't written down ANY WHERE. How absurd is that? I can surmise that there are probably some mods who aren't really comfortable with that situation and I can't blame them. However, we are dealing with an owner who has decided that there are enough rules and if mods have to enforce policy that is not codified any where then, boo-hoo-hoo sucks to be them. Brilliant. Last edited by Blood- on Thu Mar 05, 2015 11:05 am; edited 1 time in total |
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nobahn
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If someone would be kind enough to create a post expanding upon an issue, then I would copy it and turn it into a stickied thread.
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AbZeroNow
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@ Touma, I also think that the over-quoting rule needs to be reviewed. Yes, I ran afoul of it because I had one too many quotes, but I had to have that for proper context,and my own post was long enough that it wasn't long quote and short text. Since the correction, there is no context for what I was actually replying to.
However, I can also see the need for flexiability. The site's "don't be a dick" rule is a very good one. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6268 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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The overquoting rule is there because you don't want to quote like 5 different person in one setting like this one for example. It can be a big eyesore hence why the over-quoting exist for. |
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Crisha
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Here's my submission for the rules. I have re-organized it, cleaned it up, and combined rules that I thought were related. Anything in red lettering is a change that I'm proposing to be done that I would like people to review and give their comments on.
Disclaimer: All posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author, not Anime News Network. Additionally, statements by Anime News Network staff on this forum are personal opinions and may not reflect the views of Anime News Network as a whole. (willag's Note: Honestly, this sounds more like a disclaimer than a rule to me and I propose that it be moved out of the numbered rules (it was originally rule #11)). Last edited by Crisha on Thu Mar 05, 2015 6:10 pm; edited 9 times in total |
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nobahn
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dtm42 provides (in my opinion, anyway) a good explanation of how to appropriately use spoiler tags.
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Well we just updated the over-quoting rule and went through a big ordeal with it. So what you see is what you get on that one I wager. And there are ways to avoid over quoting while keeping the material for context. Copy and paste works. Turn it into one bigger quote. Turn each point you're responding to into it's own quote and respond to each one individually within your one post. All of this is outlined in the over quoting thread by the way. Not trying to be a dick with this but there are ways around it and they are in the over quoting thread. A thread that you should have gotten a link to in the offending post with the mod edit and the PM you should have received as well. Don't know what else to tell you on that one. |
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Touma
Posts: 2651 Location: Colorado, USA |
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Since the issue of fake signatures has been raised I would like to see a thread here explaining what that means.
I am unsure about it. Some people seems to think that it involves misuse of the "Location" field in the user profile. Another, relatively low priority, suggestion for future consideration would be a thread about image etiquette. This could give guidelines for size, quantity, appropriateness, etc. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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This needs to be more specific. Not all threads in the Talkback are exempt unless I am mistaken. Columns, Reviews, and series discussion pieces are exempt yes, but not Interest pieces, Advertorials, and not all News pieces. Those are case by case right? That was what Zac told us. I just want to be clear so if something is a case by case judgment and CAN be locked if needed users can't come and then say well it's a Talkback thread so it's automatically exempt no matter what. I also agree there needs to be a rule on spoilers. Those have consistently been a problem over the years and users have been yelled at for repeatedly not using them. |
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Crisha
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Okay, I've put some language to the proposed Spoiler rule. (It's a little long though). And I've modified the Necroposting rule a little.
Also, to shrink the rules so that the list doesn't appear as long, the text size can be changed. I think with the way the rules are currently set-up, having everything squished together in longer paragraphs makes for more difficult reading. A big, bolded heading captures eyes more; a quick summary of the rules within that bolded heading is even better when possible. Exceptions to Necroposting rules are detailed in 11b, Psycho. If there are other exceptions, then they need to be included. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6268 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Willag, for the spoiler tag rule. That's pretty confusing to me and hard for me to remember (and I can't memorize specific parts), no offense. But I always put spoiler tags no matter what thread it is (review, episode review, etc...). Better to be safe then sorry I will say.
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